Are You A Liar?

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    • #1318

      shelby
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      <span style=”font-weight: 400;”>It’s just a secret for a while, just your little secret. You tell yourself that no one else will find out or even care. As time passes, people start to piece things together, or maybe you just think they do because they looked at you strangely or for too long. Your heart races and you tell a lie. Just a little twisting of the truth to get them off your trail. You tell yourself that you’ll fess up at some point, just not yet. For some reason, you feel very uncomfortable when you talk to people about yourself or even when you are simply in company. It nags at you when you are sitting at dinner or doing your homework. To ease your discomfort, you keep reassuring yourself that it’s not that bad. But one night, as you lie awake in your bed- as has become your habit of late- you realize how very much you have been lying :to your parents, your friends, perhaps even your pastor. After pondering this, you come to yet another horrifying reality: you have been lying to yourself and to God. </span>

      <span style=”font-weight: 400;”> If justice is doing what is right then it can be inferred that telling the truth and living in the truth is also just. So, telling a lie is unjust. Lies are unjust no matter how big or small they are. Whether the lie is trivial or significant, you have still put forth a falsehood as truth. You are intentionally twisting what is right and making crooked what is straight. </span>

      <span style=”font-weight: 400;”>So consider yourself- whether you tell a little white lie every </span><span style=”font-weight: 400;”>now and then or stretch the truth occasionally. Odds are, the more you do it, the less you will notice until one day lies are the only thing that come out of your mouth. The more lies you tell, the less of a person you become. Be weary of what comes out of your mouth for, as Augustine said, the truth will defend itself.  </span>

    • #1324

      luke
      Participant

      What about Rahab’s lie? Also, refer to Grahams that Elijah and I referred to.

    • #1329

      Very good, Shelby, please do read over that arguement like Luke said and give me your thoughts!!!

    • #1335

      mcdressler
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      I agree with Shelby’s argument. Yet, responding to Elijah and Luke’s arguments about lying, I believe there are some instances when lying is just, and others when it is unjust. It depends upon the circumstances and the heart of the individual.During the Holocaust, many people selflessly offered their homes to hide Jews, despite the fact that they lied and could face major consequences- the worst of all death. Justice is defined as doing what is morally right and giving others what they are due. Hitler was unjust to kill jews, but people who helped the Jews were just because they did what was morally right. We are all held responsible for our actions, and I would rather lie for a cause bigger and greater than myself, a righteous cause, then selfishly be honest just so I would not become a lesser person.
      Additionally, I believe lying to keep a sin secret is unjust. It is merely an action of self-preservation, and our attitude is wrong when trying to protect ourselves. These two ideas of lying are on completely different spectrum, and each individual is subject to a different belief.

      • #1336

        Yes, there are very very few acceptable lies.  If you are lying for your own benifit, you are probably doing the wrong thing.  If you are lying to protect someone’s life, you might be doing the right thing.

    • #1346

      shelby
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      Perhaps in such instances we are doing something that is technically unjust so that others may be given what they are due as humans. In some way, maybe it is both justice and injustice. Just as the crucifixion was both the most unjust act and the most just, so perhaps we can do things that are unjust if it means others can live and evil can be subdued.

      • #1352

        Jesus’s crucifixion was not unjust, it was merciful.  I suggest you find a different comparison or make a convincing arguement for the crucifixion being unjust.  Also, you may try arguing that lies that Rahab and Cori Ten Boom and other similar cases were really not just, although I’ve no idea how you’d do that.  But an act cannot both be just and unjust.  Or do you think so?  If you think an act can be both, please argue that.  But remember: injustice is bad, justice is good.  Essentially if an act is both just and unjust, it is both bad and good – I think you will see that to be rediculous.

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        • #1368

          shelby
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          Again, I stand by the fact that the crucifixion of Christ was the most unjust deed. Do you not concur that the it was a terrible injustice that humanity nailed the spotless lamb of God to the cross? Yet through the most unjust act, Christ did the ultimate justice to man so that we may be a part of what he is doing and be redeemed by his blood. So, yet, I really do think that something can be both just and unjust at the same time.

        • #1369

          Oh, we’re not talking about the same thing.  I mean Jesus’ act of dying for us, and you mean our act of killing him.  Why certainly our killing him was unjust!  But he freely died in obedience, and his act was never unjust.  It couldn’t be.  Two wrongs don’t make a right, and the spotless lamb wouldn’t have been spotless and couldn’t have saved us had he been unjust in any way.  Our unjust act didn’t save us – for how could injustice save and how could we ever save ourselves?  – but his merciful act saved us.

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